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Upstate and downstate New York are not one advertising market

Buffalo and Brooklyn share a state government and almost nothing else that matters to an ad account. Running them together wastes the cheaper one.

Abraham Viteri

Founder, Viterium · UC Berkeley, Data Science & Economics

3 min read

New York State is treated as a geography by ad platforms and as a single market by most advertisers in it. The second of those is a mistake, and it is an expensive one in a specific direction: the cheap half funds the expensive half and nobody notices.

The divide

Downstate — the five boroughs, Long Island, Westchester, parts of the lower Hudson Valley. High auction prices, enormous competition for attention, a patient or customer with many alternatives and little loyalty, and travel decisions governed by transit rather than distance.

Upstate — Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, and everything between. Dramatically cheaper attention, far fewer sophisticated advertisers, a customer who will drive thirty minutes without thinking about it, and a referral culture that means your reputation travels further than your ads do.

The same budget buys several times the reach upstate. That is not a reason to abandon downstate — it is a reason to stop reporting them as one number.

What goes wrong when they are merged

Meta's delivery optimization will find the cheapest conversions available inside whatever geography you give it. Hand it the whole state and it will quietly spend upstate, because that is where the cheap conversions are, and report a blended cost that looks excellent.

Then your downstate location wonders why the phone is quiet.

The inverse also happens: an account set up by a Manhattan operator, targeting the whole state with Manhattan creative and Manhattan pricing, converting nothing upstate and concluding upstate does not work.

What actually differs in the creative

Price. Naming a price in a downstate ad is a filter. Naming the same price upstate can read as expensive in a way it does not in Tribeca. Same treatment, same clinic group, different framing.

Travel. "Minutes from the 4/5/6" is meaningful downstate and meaningless in Rochester. "Free parking" is close to worthless downstate and a genuine selling point upstate.

Proof. Upstate rewards specificity about place — naming the towns you serve, the local landmarks, the years you have been there. Downstate rewards credential and result.

Urgency. Downstate audiences are marketed to constantly and have calibrated against it. Scarcity language that works upstate reads as noise in the city.

What we do

Separate campaigns with separate budgets, at minimum. For clients with locations in both, frequently separate ad accounts — because the creative diverges far enough that shared learning between them is not worth the management overhead.

Then two cost-per-customer numbers that describe two real places, rather than one number describing an average New Yorker who does not exist.

Where the opportunity actually is

For most advertisers we talk to, it is upstate, and the reason is that the competition is weaker. Downstate you are bidding against operators who have been optimizing for years. In Syracuse you are frequently bidding against boosted posts.

That will not last forever. It is true now.

We have written separately about why New York clinic ads cost what they do and about the ownership rules that shape every New York practice.


If you are running New York as one geography, splitting it is the first thing to do and it will change what you think you know about your own account.

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